--> You are now talking on #elisa --- Topic for #elisa is Elisa website: http://elisa.fluendo.com || dev website: https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/ || Pigment at https://core.fluendo.com/pigment/trac/ || Latest releases: Pigment 0.1.5 and Elisa 0.1.6 || Unofficial debian packages are up, see https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/Packages Topic for #elisa set by philn at Fri Jun 1 10:06:58 2007 <-- philn_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --> ____ligth (n=lightyea@239.pool85-50-11.dynamic.orange.es) has joined #elisa hi there hi philn|home philn philn|home: hey. just back from strasbourg... checking mails hehe how were holidays? hi folks hello there wallan wattazoum Do anyone has the topics list of this meeting ? wattazoum: hey philn|home philn Does* Uzuul: hello :) philn|home: not finished, but busy with the sons and family visits... <____ligth> hi everbody itse me, mario! hello ____ligth <____ligth> no. lightyear! don't know, why the nick is not going off... <-- lightyear has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <____ligth> ahh# <-- ____ligth has quit ("tschaoikowsky") philn|home philn philn|home: tomorrow, i'm starting masonry... cool holidays ^_^ --> lightyear (n=lightyea@239.pool85-50-11.dynamic.orange.es) has joined #elisa here I am! gonna make me some food Uzuul: arf, good luck dude did the meeting start yet? Uzuul: Kaleo wasn't sure to be there... philn|home philn philn|home: so did I ;-) will he be there finally? dunno :( --> sleg_ (n=sleg@mal35-2-82-228-176-57.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #elisa I've seen some posts from Chris Dumas... nice update hi everybody yeah he worked on new mockups so what's the topic? status update? ok, we'll do it a bit live since I've just had time to put the luggage down and put the children in their beds... so, for this first edition, we'll mostly talk about elisa and artwork update philn|home philn cool, let's talk about Elisa :-D yes... how is the development going ? tastes good I have a snapshot of the Elisa svn branche here and I tried to install , but it did'nt run :p wattazoum: rewrite-1 or the trunk? we are mostly working on the new UI, developping widgets... rewrite-1 wallan wattazoum wattazoum: you also need pigment/rewrite-1 lionel started to re-code the 0.1 UI, so far he has the mac-os-x style menu, AFAIK Uzuul: I did all of that wallan wattazoum Uzuul: dependancies were fine wattazoum: k, just to be sure ;-) philn|home: cool :-) philn|home philn wattazoum : so what is the problem? why doesn't it start? what about the final architecture ? philn|home: style in time for guadec? about artwork we'll probably keep the blue-styled theme.. but doing the green version is just a photoshop trick ;) lightyear: because of DBUS , I think Uzuul: this is gonna be tied for guadec philn|home philn the architecture is ok, AFAIK, we are doing some small adjustements i'm working on a new plugin/component registry which will boost elisa startup substantially so it's working just like in the specifications ? COOL !!! the docs are not very up-to-date these days philn|home: oki yesterday i ported a home-made 0.1 data_access plugin in 1 hour :) Marvelous !! philn|home: ok. having "2" themes will also give some choices ;-) btw, vdr postponed? Uzuul: pvr requires quite some brainstorming and brains are needed elsewhere until guadec hi Kaleo: hey ^_^ hi Kaleo sorry for being late philn|home philn I'm catching up hi Kaleo lightyear: I just tried, right now and got an error running 'python setup.py' which one? philn|home: yup, not read the full mails yet... wattazoum: you don't need to run that, it kill kittens ok, so point 1) elisa status: philn|home: so should I just run elisa.py yes wattazoum: yes, but can it wait end of this meeting? * wattazoum will now listen quietly in time for guadec, everything's rolling, and 2 themes (the theme in fact, but with blue or green colors set) Uzuul: and the 0.1 style frontend if lionel has enough free time ;) * wattazoum is wondering what is guadec ... :-/ ok, going on point 2: artwork is christophe dumas there (nick?)? Le_Kwer: Uzuul: oops my pm was blocked sorry he's away, english classes philn|home philn <-- arkadini has quit ("Bye.") philn|home: he needs it, a bit, indeed ;-) we all has need for it I don't need english.... sure :) ok, so as stated above, the 0.3 release for the GUADEC will be 0.1 like green and blue set too? depends on what people on the mailing lists prefer actually the default frontend will be the "classic" one, if we have time there will be a 0.1 style UI too we should make a vote once and for all hum, not sure of what you call "classic"? eheh me neither ;) bear with me, I'm reading HomeMockup in // ;-) the new UI frontend is in the "classic_plugin" ok HomeMockup shows what that new UI would look like, for the main menu for the rest we follow that document: https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/NavigationTree the workflow is : Christophe makes mockup and send them to the mls ok (bis, arno plugged back ;) ) the best way to see the final result will be to checkout the classic plugin from time to time at the moment it's very rough and does not implement yet the mockups but it's on its way philn|home philn beginning of next week, the main menu plus a basic player should be in place Kaleo, philn|home: so the vote is about classic vs. 0.1? no * sleg_ is reading you but can't talk (I'm on the phone with someone else) ... or still on the colors set "themeSelection"? we should vote on classic theme style.. colors don't matter that much, you guys prefer green, we prefer blue ;) well, as for the color , as I said on the ML , I find it too dark what do you mean by classic Theme ? --> arkadini (i=arek@nat/fluendo/x-ba1e34bb1e5c0afc) has joined #elisa there is also a vote about the top menu (where there is music, video, config and so on..) wattazoum: see https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/SimpleNavigationTree . philn|home: blue for elisa, green for Ubuntu media center ;) Kaleo: so the layouts presented in HomeMockup? Uzuul: yes sleg_: yes.. but excepted the colors, both themes would have same visual aspect philn|home: That's what I understand ;) everybody's understood what the artwork is about ? not really, wait, https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/themeSelection https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/HomeMockup guys, vote opened for https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/wiki/HomeMockup I don't get the difference between the 2 no? aren't they different theme for the same thing ? wattazoum: the first one would be the style for all the menus the second one is ideas about the top menu ah, oki vote via email? by all the menu I mean: https://core.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/attachment/wiki/NavigationTree/base-screen.png got it since we do not see it in live, it's a bit hard since we have to imagine the animation effects of the menu Noble: yes, just drop a message about what you like or dislike Uzuul: true, we'll try to post python files together with the mockups that will only require pigment what Uzuul said is true (not elisa) or maybe mockups err, screencast i meant that would be cool good idea Uzuul: btw we're having many issues with the umc mailing list so vote postponed until? are we ok with the first point ? Kaleo: yep, next point (3) vote is not postponed but just done via email and we have to take the decisions on friday (of course nothing is *definitive*) for the moment, I'm on #4 if it's the same effect has the one i imagine... ok, so point 3: mailing list how is it going ? still no news from jono sad so, we keep waiting I guess he's too busy with his 52'' TV maybe :) <-- arkadini has quit ("Bye.") ping'ed him 2 days ago... nothing. gotta catch him on irc... next point then ? :) website? ok, i was on pkg but for (5) anybody from the Marketing SF? what's the purpose of that team? website, communication (planet, ...), lobbying, ... i've made a small mention in the web thread ok pretty quiet :) seems there is a bit of work underway on the ml. I'll check with the various people to form something... later on. very quiet : ok so point 5: packages well, hum, packagers on holidays :( :) gotta reload myself a bit more, and find time to finish the cleanups to upload to d.o... anything else ? I have an Idea of a sub project that would be call "UMC Desktop integration" that could be split in 2 : Gnome , KDE ok, just checked pkg-gst things. no update on lool side too... wattazoum: the point of UMC is not to need Gnome nor KDE wattazoum: just wait a bit more ;-) Kaleo: the distro yes, the software has to somehow integrate with the desktop... however Elisa has to interact well with them, for that reason we try to follow freedesktop.org spec as much as possible btw elisa already integrates with GNOME.. more work like rhytmbox integration wouls be nice however point 6: remote controls support (sorry guys, I have to leave in a couple of minutes) lirc 0.8.2 released nice ! (goodbye) Kaleo: see you work on a config GUI can start. we can limit to USB devices + autodetection first. somebody seems interested on the ml. gotta check... lirc 0.8.3 will however be needed for the new "standardised" namespace --> micxer82 (n=micxer@dslb-088-074-144-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #elisa so point 7: ideas and other points. wattazoum: you're now welcome ;-) wallan wattazoum wattazoum: "UMC Desktop integration"?! well, I would like to be able to use elisa, while working or doing other thigs windowed mode? so I would like to be able to set it as a default player windows mode, tray cion mode , and so on and do things like elisa /path/to/movie.avi ? yep , or elisa --append /path/to/avi shortcuts? shouldn't be hard.. as well as a tray icon I would like to have the shortcuts-stuff like amarok has or a set of selected files... windowed mode already works btw, loic dardantt is already working on a pygtk tray for lirc... might be interested in! unimportand where you are, you can push windows+b to skip to the next songs and that stuff lightyear: Exactly + nautilus-actions scripts lightyear: shortcuts are in 0.1.6, should be easy to port there was another good Idea some days ago that sounded like "democracy"-interaction means: doing that stuff, that could be done with democracy as well That would be a data_access plugin, right ? like reading rss-feeds and then download them not only.. because we need to do a download of it (currently gstreamer does not for all files support of streaming them over http) for e.g. a flv (in youtube or dailymotion) has to be downloaded so we need another downloader-activity and that downloader of democracy uses bittorent to get the data that's a specific gstreamer issue which can be solved which is faster and more efficient Well, why not then, make some player plugins and use players that can at home i have a rss based torrent downloader.. should be easy to plug in elisa ;) democracy is also one, and it's backend is also easy to plug into it... was just an idea... there are also other ideas in the trac of elisa excepted the coffee machine one Q: Don't you think that sticking to gstreamer is a bit restrictive ? nope yes, democracy... rss/bittorrent (I mean to Gstreamer exclusively ) wattazoum, gstreamer is an extensible standardized framework i think its one of elisa's strong points for exemple, I just downloaded a video of "Bleach" and totem, where poorly reading it , when vlc were perfectly so I switched to VLC ok, just to close the points: "UMC Desktop integration" There is lots of cases like that wattazoum: can you create a wiki + lp spec? the whole point is that gstreamer community is quite huge, there are many developers here to improve the framework yeah, but vlc is a monolithic app with no real interoperability standards.... its better to improve gstreamer than support 100 different media player apps Uzuul: yep , I'll do wattazoum: thx on the gst side, this is one of the point for which i like elisa! of course there's much work ahead, but we're on the good track Even though GST is great, I think that we should interface with others players via plugins gst is a de facto standard, wih an extensible, and evolutive design. and a community and some corp. like fluendo support wattazoum: yeah i get your point lightyear: is there somebody working on the democracy like plugin? any pointers? <-- micxer has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --- micxer82 is now known as micxer Uzuul Uzuul : for now it was only an Idea the one, who came to us with the Ide +a Q : is there a possibility (or will it be ) to make player_plugins ? wanted to build some plugins some day, but for now, we wants to wait until the rewrite is done so: there won't be a downloader or democracy stuff at the GUADEC not yet ok, point taken I am looking towards making plugins too :) it's really easy in the arch... made the weather plugin- but it is not offical yet there are things in it, which are not support by the elisa-svn yet... things to be discussed... in the weather plugin ? yes lightyear: how does the weather pg looks like? currently it's only for the gtk existing but as far, as it is possible I'm gonna make a view for pigment lightyear: I'm fond of the wii approach... gl, cute I think, there is the image, which is representing the weather (night/day, cloudy/sunny) at one corner I didn't see that I'm currently also thinking about a 'virtual' themometer on which you could easily see the tempretur... how about the possibility to represent weather on the main menu at all times stormy skies behind the icons, for example something like this: http://www.java2s.com/Code/JavaImages/JFreeChartThermometerDemo2.PNG Noble: yeah, as an option, + time sounds good, Noble lightyear: glups. hum, I would prefer some cloudy/sunny small icon + temp ° or alike, got the idea... there would be the Icon, and a kind of this bar... maybe something for the other stuff, too or text only... got to see, what's (im)possible in this short time... lightyear: can you make some mokup and post on the lists? for the weather on the menus idea.... anyone seen atmosphere, from my dream app? elisa mailinglist? lightyear: + umc i'm not that mock-up king... lightyear: Both the adress of the umc-list, please? so that I can add it... http://creativebits.org/files/atmosphere22-2.jpg lightyear: just some sketch... it would make the media center seem... more organic... better than a black void okay. a mockup for a pigment-weather-plugin and the idea of a weather-enabled theme, right? lightyear: [MAILTO] umc-request@ml.free.fr with the subject "subscribe", or ask kaleo to fwd. lightyear: thx Kaleo: right, for Noble and others ;-) oops, not check the last Noble link an empty mail is enough, right? lightyear: right okay. gonna do this... but i don't have the admin rights on it, so don't know how long... lightyear: The link you sent is wonderful *g* you mean the bar? e really need that ubuntu ML yep wattazoum wallan wattazoum wallan http://creativebits.org/files/atmosphere22-2.jpg this one oops wattazoum: it was from Noble it was Noble it seems to work for me ;) sorry :) yep, nice idea Noble <-- Noble has quit ("Java user signed off") --> Noble (n=noble@216.12.247.234) has joined #Elisa thanks, i didn't create it though ;) well, I am going, got to work tomorrow (I am not on holidays ... me :-p ) well, if we have checked all points... I think we can close the meeting have a nice night ,with the sweetest dreams wallan wattazoum :) wattazoum: c u c u <-- wattazoum has quit ("Ex-Chat") I'll mail the minutes lightyear: just one more: considering the wii weather approach? what that? * lightyear has no Wii :( the gl earth with zoom... sorry, never seen it... how much opengl is available within elisa? nor does uzuul (though he really wants to...) uuhh. there is no opengl available in elisa but in pigment... elisa is just using pigment elisa don't know nothing about opengl... http://fr.wii.com/movies/forecastchannel_video/ this depends if the weather model has necessary informations, then it's "only" the problem of the view i see o dear. that's hard stuff.. our weather plugin doesn't have future support yet... so if we have lat/lon of the city, the view can pinpoint it on a globe it only shows how the weather IS lightyear: but how cute hey ^_^ it's cute, yes. that's because 1+ days predictions are not free ;) elisa by default can't go scan weather.com but is it accessable with the 6-buttons remote? elisa should always be accessable with that remote.. it one of the main goals, I heard ;) the wiimote is like a mouse yes... the input is another point. we'll see in time what is the min. keys set lirc can provide, and also check for direction emulation (using the numbers pad?!) in time... for the UI, would you consider something like that (wii) thing? for the future i mean ;-) yeah i bought that wiimote in the single purpose to play with it in elisa ;) philn|home philn philn|home: tried the drivers (i mentioned a page iirc in a mail...)? I'm currently hesitating between the wiimote and the whole wii ;-) Uzuul: i got a python/bt/sdl app running, dunno if that's that one db budokay ... and other games ... waow ^_^ lightyear: might be nice in the new weather plugin to support multiple cities, take note :) *note* --> Burgundavia (n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia) has joined #elisa mail: CSF: call for kernel hackers, C / Python developers, and tech surveyors 3) Technological surveyors are needed to investigate several points We need to see beyond our current goals to reach our future ones! A wiki page has to be created to track this and other ideas. - advanced remote controls, such as the wiimote, and possible changes in UMC: http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote/Drivers - voice control. I read that LinuxMCE has somebody working on this feature. No news from Paul Weber since long. Should be a common effort. - surface computing, and its impact on the MC UI : http://jucato.org/blog/my-ultimate-geek-dream-machine/ WMD i tried libwiimote might be interesting for elisa testing ;-) philn|home philn philn|home: well, reading back, wmd seems python+... so, forget my last comment... Burgundavia: hello libwiimote also tried.. looked nice, might be worth doing a python binding lightyear: still no answer about the wii style? <-- Burgundavia has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) what should I answer? what is not what I'm currently working on. No. for the UI, would you consider something like that (wii) thing? for the future i mean ;-) hm. then we would need another input.. maybe it could be possible. but as philn said: the future is stuff is not free.... thanks. so we can discuss all the techies later on... currently I'm thinking about the possibilty to have this multiple-city stuff.... i'm pretty sure it is available for free in the united states from the national weather service oh really? i'm not sure if the united states national weather service provides data for other contries though Noble: for 5 days ahead too? lightyear: we can also use the existing free sources... In germany a lot of people pay a lot of money to get this informations yes. we have to Uzuul not sure how far ahead, i just looked it up http://www.weather.gov/xml/ I'm making some mockups put them into the wiki and then we could all discuss them on the mailinglist(s) lightyear: let's say that the free (base) version does its best, and then you can subscribe to commercial services to get the other things... lightyear: don't forget to cross post on the ml... thx I'm just subscribing... cc me and I'll relay if there's a pb... no. I guess it worked. how could I unscribe? just unscribe at the same address? I subscribed with a wrong address... lightyear: yep okay. gonna do some mockups 2morrow and send them... bb alert !!! ttyl --> Burgundavia (n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia) has joined #elisa that's it? okay. the next meeting is at the same time at the point? guess so okay. cu than! --> simplyw00x (n=carl@host86-141-229-173.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) has joined #elisa cyphase (n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #elisa back. lightyear: yep, next wednesday, same time, same place. cu <-- cyphase has quit (Client Quit) simplyw00x (n=carl@host86-141-229-173.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) has left #elisa --> cyphase (n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #elisa <-- sleg_ has quit ("Ex-Chat")